Question:
What exactly IS irony?
SA1
2007-12-07 15:26:35 UTC
My English teacher and a student in my class had a short debate. The student claims that irony is something unexpected as does the teacher, but they both have different definitions.

The student says that irony is something unexpected. Like if an elephant came into the class room at that moment. Totally unexpected, no one saw that coming.

The teacher says that irony is something unexpected as well, but in a different sense. The student said that he disliked someone and my teacher said it would be ironic if he went home and read in the newspaper that the person’s house caught on fire.

So, can someone explain irony to me? It something unexpected, but what TYPE of unexpected? Who is right here? The teacher or the student?
Nine answers:
Dominic
2007-12-07 15:29:59 UTC
Irony.

Like...if a person HATES spiders.

Okay, then you see them playing around with spiders.

Its not normal to you and youd be like...how ironic.
anonymous
2007-12-07 15:31:41 UTC
Tragic irony occurs when a character on stage or in a story is ignorant, but the audience watching knows his or her eventual fate, as in Shakespeare’s play Romeo and Juliet.



Socratic irony takes place when someone pretends to be foolish or ignorant, to expose the ignorance of another



Cosmic irony is when a higher being or force interferes in a character's life, creating ironic settings



H. W. Fowler, in Modern English Usage, says of irony:



Irony is a form of utterance that postulates a double audience, consisting of one party that hearing shall hear & shall not understand, & another party that, when more is meant than meets the ear, is aware both of that more & of the outsiders’ incomprehension
Niallo!
2007-12-07 15:35:49 UTC
Irony is an unexpected event that occurs in contradiction to something else. An example of irony is perhaps "bitching about someone in a toilet, whilst the person you are talking about is in the next cubical" Its a bad example but its hard to explain. Another example of irony would be "your umbrella breaking the only day of the month that it rains", its an unexpected event that occurs in contradiction to something else.
bonenfant
2016-11-14 05:34:44 UTC
IRONY is using words to precise something different from and in many circumstances opposite to their literal meaning. Irony is conveying something by ability of asserting the magnificent opposite. Sarcasm is meant to injury somebody. Irony isn't. There are in specific situations situations the place you prepare irony however the the humor it somewhat is carried out is sarcastic. Sarcasm is often mockery.
ladyplaya21
2007-12-07 15:31:28 UTC
Irony is some like if a person you absolutely can't stand ends up saving your life. Something where it can start off in one direction, but ends up going the other way at the end. I hope that makes sense to you. Good Luck!
Skye R
2007-12-07 15:44:00 UTC
Neither seem to be right. Irony is knowing something to be true and then witnessing the opposite.
EUPKid
2007-12-07 15:31:37 UTC
A statement that, when taken in context, may actually mean the opposite of what is written literally; the use of words expressing something other than their literal intention.
bar_two_123
2007-12-07 15:34:37 UTC
Don't listen to Alanis Morsisette's song "Ironic", most of what's in that song is just bad luck, not irony.
Fast boy + sexy boy + doglover
2007-12-07 15:51:15 UTC
There are different kinds of irony. For example:



Tragic (or dramatic) irony occurs when a character on stage or in a story is ignorant, but the audience watching knows his or her eventual fate, as in Shakespeare’s play Romeo and Juliet.

Socratic irony takes place when someone (classically a teacher) pretends to be foolish or ignorant, to expose the ignorance of another (and the teaching-audience, but not the student-victim, realizes the teacher's plot).

Cosmic irony is when a higher being or force interferes in a character's life, creating ironic settings.

H. W. Fowler, in Modern English Usage, says of irony:



Irony is a form of utterance that postulates a double audience, consisting of one party that hearing shall hear & shall not understand, & another party that, when more is meant than meets the ear, is aware both of that more & of the outsiders’ incomprehension.[1]

Irony threatens authoritative models of discourse by "removing the semantic security of ‘one signifier : one signified’";[2][3] irony has some of its foundation in the onlooker’s perception of paradox which arises from insoluble problems. For example, in June 2005, the State of Virginia Employment Agency, which handles unemployment compensation, announced that they would lay off 400 employees for lack of work, because unemployment was so low in the state. Although this outcome could have been logically anticipated (solving the problem would be expected to re-created a minor version of it again, as a result), the reader’s perception of a disconnection between common expectation, and the application of logic in an unexpected outcome, both contain an element of irony.



The connection between irony and humour is somewhat revealed when the surprise at what should have expected startles us into laughter. However, not all irony is humorous: “grim irony” and “stark irony” are familiar.



The Greek word eironeia—ειρωνεία applied particularly to understatement in the nature of dissimulation. Such irony occurred especially and notably in the assumed ignorance which Socrates adopted as a method of dialectic, the “Socratic irony.” Socratic irony involves a profession of ignorance that disguises a skeptical, non-committed attitude towards some dogma or universal opinion that lacks a basis in reason or in logic. Socrates’ “innocent” inquiries expose step by step the vanity or illogicality of the proposition by unsettling the assumptions of his dialogue partner by questioning or simply not sharing his basic assumptions. The irony entertains those onlookers who know that Socrates is wiser than he permits himself to appear and who may perceive slightly in advance the direction the “naïve” questioning will take. Fowler describes it:



The two parties in his audience were, first, the dogmatist, moved by pity and contempt to enlighten this ignorance, and, secondly, those who knew their Socrates and set themselves to watch the familiar game in which learning should be turned inside out by simplicity.

Many[citation needed] have interpreted Socrates as not feigning ignorance so much as expressing a form of philosophical skepticism.



Television journalist Louis Theroux demonstrated expert use of Socratic irony to his audience, by interviewing a number of diverse individuals with an air of relaxed naïveté and appreciative curiosity. This has led to his subjects becoming less guarded and more open in answering questions than they would have been in a more adversarial dialogue, while more often than not also granting Theroux subtle control of the interview.



The main character of Lieutenant Columbo, played by Peter Falk in the 1980's television sitcom Columbo employed the method of Socratic-irony to comic effect. The character's bad posture, piddling behavior, one squinted eye, and constant barrage of seemingly obvious questions were usually taken by criminals to be signs of utter incompetence, even mental disability. Ultimately, he was of course a brilliant crime solver. The slyness of his approach was often heightened by the fact that the clues had been apparent to the viewer as well. His signature line was "Um, excuse me, just one more question ma'am (or sir)..." which usually was followed by the realization by the culprit that they had been caught.



In his character of Ali G, Sacha Baron Cohen uses Socratic irony to satirical effect. For instance, in one sketch he interviews a professor from the National Poison Information Centre about recreational drug use. Ali’s pretended stupidity in the form of asking questions such as “Does Class A drugs absolutely guarantee that they is [sic] better quality?” elicits a response that makes drugs look like any other consumer article.



The 19th century Danish philosopher Søren Kierkegaard admired Socratic irony and used a variation of Socratic irony in many of his works. Kierkegaard wrote on Socratic irony in his master’s thesis, titled On the Concept of Irony with Continual Reference to Socrates. In the thesis, Kierkegaard praises Plato’s and Aristophanes’ use of Socratic irony, and argues that Aristophanes’ portrayal of Socrates in The Clouds most accurately captured the spirit of Socratic irony.


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